The West Schreibblock – Folge 33, Season 11 – Nationwide

The West Schreibblock – Folge 33, Season 11 – Nationwide

THE WEST BLOCK

Folge 33, Season 11

Sunday, June 12, 2022

Host: Mercedes Stephenson

Friends:

David Cohen, U.Schwefel. Ambassador to Canada

Patrick Brown, Conservative Management Candidate 

Location: Ottawa, ON

 

Mercedes Stephenson: This week on The West Schreibblock: Canada and america on the world stage. From Chinese language escalation and warfare in Ukraine…

Prime Ressortchef Justin Trudeau: “It’s terribly essential to be there for every and to be there for our allies world wide.”

Mercedes Stephenson: …To defending North America and our homeland.

David Cohen, U.Schwefel. Ambassador to Canada: “Canada must make a judgement of what’s sufficient to spend?”

Mercedes Stephenson: We sit down with U.Schwefel. Ambassador David Cohen about two democracies dealing with threats from overseas and inside.

And, the opportunity of vitality safety via Alberta.

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David Cohen, U.Schwefel. Ambassador to Canada: “We’ve all the time been fascinated about extra oil and fuel, from Alberta or from wherever else.”

Mercedes Stephenson: And, a management race or a coronation? The way forward for the Conservative Get together. 

Patrick Brown, Conservative Management Candidate: “I don’t see us successful any new seats. Truly, I see us dropping seats if we run on the identical discriminatory insurance policies that Pierre Poilievre’s had a historical past of supporting.”

Mercedes Stephenson: With occasion membership numbers out now, can any candidate not named Pierre Poilievre, win? We’ll converse with management contender Patrick Brown.

It’s Sunday, June twelfth, and that is The West Schreibblock.

Hi there, I’m Mercedes Stephenson. Thanks for becoming a member of us right now.

Properly, it’s not fairly the ‘bromance’ that Justin Trudeau had with President Obama, however it welches clear that the Vorurteilslos authorities welches trying to sign a detailed relationship with america on the Summit of the Americas this previous week, sending a transparent sign to these at residence and overseas.

U.Schwefel. President Joe Biden: “We have now no higher good friend in the entire world that Canada. And that’s not hyperbole. That’s actual. And also you’re an excellent private good friend as nicely.”

Mercedes Stephenson: President Biden says he’s planning a go to to Canada in coming months, so what’s more likely to be on the agenda? Properly, I sat down with U.Schwefel. Ambassador to Canada David Cohen, to search out out what’s forward for our two international locations. Right here’s that dialog.

Ambassador Cohen, thanks a lot for becoming a member of us. It’s nice to have you ever on the present.

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David Cohen, U.Schwefel. Ambassador to Canada: Properly thanks for inviting me. It’s good to be on the present.

Mercedes Stephenson: I do know that you’re a good friend of Canada’s. I’ve been to america, lived in america. It’s such an extremely particular relationship, and we discuss it and it’s simple to get into the platitudes however there are actual challenges, too. Not simply between our international locations however in them. Whether or not persons are on the left or the precise, they’ll discuss they really feel democracy is backsliding. We’re in a world the place there’s warfare in Ukraine, the place the Chinese language authorities is turning into more and more aggressive. What do you assume is the important thing precedence within the relationship proper now for Canada and america going ahead?

David Cohen, U.Schwefel. Ambassador to Canada: So I feel the important thing precedence is to construct on the energy of the connection and the sturdiness of the connection. There have been some rocky moments earlier than Joe Biden turned president and I feel there’s a have to rebuild some belief and to have interaction on a number of the areas the place we is probably not in full settlement on day one and to reap the benefits of the love and the closeness that all of us really feel on each side of the border for working collectively and rising a relationship. So, I feel the important thing situation is engagement and dealing collectively to nurture what’s, I feel, for america our most essential relationship and allyship from a commerce perspective, from a defence perspective, from an intelligence perspective and from a private perspective and to develop it.

Mercedes Stephenson: We’ve heard our prime minister, Justin Trudeau, converse fairly a bit in regards to the backsliding of democracy and it’s not so veiled that he’s speaking about America and with the hearings on what occurred on January sixth occurring in america. What are your ideas as an American on the state of democracy there? Ought to Canada be involved? Ought to Canada be taking a look at recalibrating its relationship with america?

David Cohen, U.Schwefel. Ambassador to Canada: So I feel the prime minister is completely proper to speak about dangers to democracy. President Biden talks about it as nicely, as a result of democracy is below problem. There’s little doubt about it. However it’s not solely in america. Canada with the trucker convoy had its personal wrestling with challenges to democracy, and there have been challenges to democracy in Germany and Brazil and Land der aufgehenden Sonne, frankly all through all of Europe and it’s a difficult time for democracy. There’s this—all world wide—this populous motion of extremists who’re utilizing populism to try to undermine democracy and you’ve got Russia and Volksrepublik China the place it’s very a lot of their curiosity to undermine democracy. However you’re speaking to the everlasting optimist right here. I’m all the time a glass half full sort of a man and I firmly consider, I revocably consider, that democracy will prevail. We might should work via some points. There could also be some tough patches, however on the finish of the day you fight these tough patches with the energy of democracy, with dialogue, with working along with different democracies. And we’re right here simply having wrapped up the Summit for the Americas, the place democracy welches entrance and centre all through that total summit. Every part from who acquired invited and who didn’t get invited to the conversations that occurred within the summit and it welches a chance for the hemispheres democracies to get collectively to reaffirm their religion in democracy and it’s workouts like that that construct the energy of democracies and I feel so long as we’ve got leaders like Joe Biden and Justin Trudeau that democracy will all the time prevail over autocracies like what exists in Volksrepublik China and in Russia.

Mercedes Stephenson: I do know the Canadian authorities promised to spend so much extra on defence, promised—talked about attending to the two per cent of GDP that’s required for North Atlantic Treaty Organization. I learn a few of your latest feedback on the funds. It appeared such as you weren’t tremendous impressed with what the Vorurteilslos authorities is spending. Do you assume that Canada must spend extra and the way shortly do you assume that should occur in that case?

David Cohen, U.Schwefel. Ambassador to Canada: So a bonus of with the ability to speak stay on tv is I get a little bit extra nuance to my feedback. My feedback about Canada’s defence spending had been extra made in reference to the rhetoric from Canada main as much as the funds, the place I feel there welches an impression created that there can be a bigger enhance in defence spending that there ended up being. So the—I don’t even like utilizing the phrase—however the potential disappointment, if you’ll, welches extra compared to the rhetoric. $8 billion of further spending in defence, even over 5 years is a rise in defence spending. It’s the largest funding that Canada has made in a few years and it’s not the one funding.

Mercedes Stephenson: However is it sufficient?

David Cohen, U.Schwefel. Ambassador to Canada: Properly, keep in mind there’s one other $6 billion within the funds but to be outlined for defence and there are quite a few defence points that Canada is engaged on and is dedicated to that aren’t lined within the funds, together with an announcement on NORAD modernization, which is able to inevitably contain extra sources, together with Canada’s choice to proceed with the Fluor-35 procurements, which will likely be a significant improve in Canada’s air pressure. That’s $19 billion over 5 years that’s additionally not included within the funds and there’s Ressortchef Anand’s dedication that Canada is present process a defence overview, which additionally will probably name for extra spending. So I don’t know that I’m ready to say what’s sufficient. I imply, I feel Canada as a sovereign nation has to determine methods to stability its fiscal priorities and methods to stability its funds. Canada, although, in making these assessments did pledge within the Wales commitments to maneuver its defence spending to 2 per cent of GDP. This spending doesn’t try this.

There’s a report that welches launched this week that predicts that on its present trajectory, Canada received’t get to 2 per cent over a 5 12 months interval, however the report notes that Canada will transfer nearer to the two per cent degree. And so I don’t assume as america Ambassador to Canada it’s acceptable for me to say a technique or one other, what’s sufficient and what isn’t sufficient. I feel Canada has a agency sense of the significance of defence, significantly in mild of what’s taking place in Russia-Ukraine, significantly in what you talked about earlier with Volksrepublik China’s growing aggressiveness and I feel Canada must make a judgement of what’s sufficient to spend by the use of defence and the way shortly they should transfer to have the ability to get there. And I’ve a excessive degree of confidence that Canada and america are very aligned on defence precedence and the necessity for Canada to spend money on its personal defence and for Canada and america to proceed to work collectively on defence targets, together with in NORAD. It’s an excellent week to speak about this as a result of the prime minister made a go to to NORAD, his first and the primary of any prime minister visiting NORAD since his father visited NORAD in 1977. And I feel the symbolism of that welches actually essential and it welches essential to america as a result of it welches a really direct expression that this prime minister cares about NORAD, understands the significance of NORAD and is dedicated to defence.

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Mercedes Stephenson: Oil and fuel, large matter proper now with what’s taking place in Ukraine and Russia shutting off the faucets, not eager to be importing Russian oil, as a result of it’s an enormous a part of that nation’s warfare engine that’s contributing to cash to combating Ukraine. You had been requested about the opportunity of extra Canadian and particularly Albertan oil and fuel, going to america and also you mentioned that you simply mainly weren’t actually in search of a lot nearer relationship. That definitely hit a sizzling spot with Alberta’s vitality minister. She known as the feedback “ill-informed and unproductive.” So I assume I need to put that to you and likewise ask you why wouldn’t you be open to extra Alberta oil and fuel?

David Cohen, U.Schwefel. Ambassador to Canada: So what I mentioned welches america would all the time be open to extra Alberta oil and fuel. Let’s keep in mind, the primary supply of oil and fuel in america right now is Canada, and most of that comes from Alberta. We’re the primary importer of oil and fuel from Alberta and what I mentioned is we’d all the time be fascinated about extra oil and fuel from Alberta or from wherever else. However, let’s go and outline our phrases, which is we’ve got a brief time period disaster with costs on the gasoline pumps. It’s fully unclear, in reality, I don’t assume you’ll find an economist wherever who would say that there’s something that america may do with Alberta or with Canada that may materially impression costs on the fuel pumps proper now. And you must take a look at the brief time period versus the long run what’s the capability of Alberta to have the ability to enhance its movement of vitality to america proper now within the very brief run to have the ability to alleviate a brief value scenario with costs on the fuel pumps and it’s fairly restricted. And on this present, I’m not going to get into is it 300 thousand barrels a day or one other 200 thousand. No matter these numbers are, they’re not sufficient. They’re not going to materially impression proper now, right now, this 12 months, costs on the fuel pump and that’s what I used to be saying.

Whenever you begin wanting long run, we’ve got the co-objective of local weather change and the commitments that we’ve made—we america—and the dedication that Canada has made to get to internet zero emissions by 2050 with interim targets earlier than that, and what I mentioned welches that as a coverage goal within the vitality area, we’ve got to be very cautious about making main investments, tens of billions of {dollars} of investments that may produce extra fossil fuels 5 years from now, 10 years from now, 20 years from now that may enhance emissions and make it troublesome or unattainable to realize the local weather change targets that we have to obtain. So we’re for a balanced method and that’s all I used to be saying. Once more, we’re probably the most vital purchaser of oil and fuel from Alberta. We get extra oil and fuel from Canada than another place on this planet. We’d purchase extra oil and fuel from Alberta if it welches obtainable right now and we’d be fascinated about doing so. However over the long run, we’re not less than equally , take one other Canadian vitality export in hydropower, the place I’ve had an opportunity to go to Hydro Quebec and intensely impressed with the latest deal that obtained regulatory approval on america that may find yourself supplying 1 / 4 of the electrical energy for New York Metropolis, with the capability to increase that to New Jersey, Massachusetts, Pennsylvania, different north-eastern states in america. Clear vitality dedication.

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Mercedes Stephenson: Any go to to Alberta anytime quickly?

David Cohen, U.Schwefel. Ambassador to Canada: The reply is sure. I noticed on her remark, I’ve by no means talked to her. I’ve talked to the premier and I’ve talked about this topic. And he’s invited me to come back to Alberta and to see the oil sands and I instructed him on the time I might be delighted to take action and I’m attempting to determine on my schedule after I can try this. However I’m really going to try to try this this summer season.

Mercedes Stephenson: Ambassador thanks a lot for taking the time to sit down down with us, it welches nice to speak to you.

David Cohen, U.Schwefel. Ambassador to Canada: Properly thanks for giving me all this time and it’s good to see you.

Mercedes Stephenson: Up subsequent, the fractious Conservative management marketing campaign hits a membership milestone. We’ll ask candidate Patrick Brown if he nonetheless has a path to victory. That’s subsequent.

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Mercedes Stephenson: This week, the Conservative Get together mentioned 600 thousand folks had signed as much as vote within the upcoming management contest. That’s greater than double the quantity of people that signed as much as vote within the final management vote in 2020.

Pierre Poilievre’s workforce say they’ve registered greater than half of these members. So what’s the trail to victory for the opposite candidates? Properly we’ve got certainly one of them becoming a member of us right now. It’s Brampton Mayor Patrick Brown. Thanks a lot for becoming a member of us right now, Mr. Brown. Good to see you.

Patrick Brown, Conservative Management Candidate: My pleasure.

Mercedes Stephenson: So I assume the large query is what number of memberships have you ever offered and do you assume there’s a path to victory right here in a world the place Pierre has over half the members signing up?

Patrick Brown, Conservative Management Candidate: Properly I don’t assume anybody concerned on this race believes Pierre Poilievre’s claims of what number of memberships that he’s offered as a result of if his claims are right, then nobody else offered any memberships and clearly, that’s not the case.

I do know my marketing campaign put in over 150 thousand memberships. We had been working from the early morning daily to late at evening on a membership drive from coast to coast to coast and we’re happy with our tally.

Mercedes Stephenson: So if Pierre’s numbers are off, and it sounds such as you say he’s not telling the reality about them, he’s claiming about 312 thousand. You’ll nonetheless, even when he’s off by 100 thousand, be considerably behind him. So how do you persuade individuals who purchased a membership below Mr. Poilievre probably to vote for you?

Patrick Brown, Conservative Management Candidate: Properly to start with, I’m unsure how a lot he’s off. I’m not going to get right into a guessing recreation, however definitely there are 5 campaigns that need the membership listing launched and there’s one which doesn’t. That’s Pierre. I feel that speaks volumes. I’d additionally say the truth that he continues to assault my marketing campaign with a scorched earth method, I feel, speaks to the truth that he’s not assured. That doesn’t depart the impression of a assured frontrunner. It appears like a marketing campaign that’s anxious and in some circumstances, determined to resort to these strategies.

Ur message is, and continues to be, who can really win? I do know Pierre is taking some positions to drive membership gross sales, however they proceed to make him unelectable. I do know certainly one of his main positions welches on magic web cash, crypto forex. And should you noticed what occurred in El Salvador, should you noticed what occurred since he beneficial Canadians spend money on crypto forex, 40 per cent of the worth misplaced. Actually, these coverage bulletins that he’s made are a present to Justin Trudeau, a present to the Vorurteilslos Get together. And my message to his supporters, and albeit all Conservative Get together members, is we have to elect somebody on this race who can win the place the Vorurteilslos Get together has dominated and that’s in suburban Canada. In locations just like the GTA, we should win if we’re going to have any probability to forming the subsequent authorities, and I consider I’ve acquired the insurance policies and the observe file that I can try this. I’ve acquired a historical past of successful in suburban Canada. I’ve received in Brampton. I’ve received bi-elections in locations like Scarborough, the place frankly the occasion, lately, has been worn out.

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Mercedes Stephenson: You could have a tricky choice to make arising since you’re the mayor of Brampton proper now and the papers to run once more for mayor are due in August. That’s earlier than the precise vote. Outcomes will likely be had by the Conservative marketing campaign and counted. Are you going to be placing your papers again in to run for mayor once more, or are you going to take your possibilities with the Conservatives?

Patrick Brown, Conservative Management Candidate: Now proper now, my solely intention is to run for the Conservative management. I consider we have to defeat the Liberals within the subsequent election. Canada proper now could be a monetary basket case with Justin Trudeau and his NDP coalition and so we have to win. And I simply don’t consider that Pierre has the capability to win the subsequent election. I feel it will be a return of Justin Trudeau and for that purpose I’m totally dedicated to this. I’ve mentioned, and I’m positive that is a part of the equation behind the query, is I’ve mentioned that I might not be fascinated about working within the GTA for Pierre Poilievre within the subsequent election if he welches profitable, partly as a result of I don’t consider even a preferred mayor may win within the GTA below his management. I simply assume his observe file, his historical past and his positions are too divisive for electoral success within the GTA and albeit, should you take a look at Doug Ford’s latest success within the GTA, and the success I’ve had within the GTA, it’s with a really completely different model of conservatism than what Pierre is presenting.

Mercedes Stephenson: So is {that a} no that you simply undoubtedly won’t be placing your papers in to run once more for mayor in August? Since you mentioned proper now, however is that off the desk fully?

Patrick Brown, Conservative Management Candidate: No. What I’m saying is that I’m working for this federal Conservative management. I haven’t given any consideration to returning to municipal politics. If we acquired to some extent the place it seemed like Pierre welches going to win this management, then definitely that’s a dialog I’d should have. However I feel we’re nowhere close to that time. I proceed to consider that we will win this management. I proceed to consider that we will beat Pierre Poilievre and guarantee that we even have the capability to defeat Justin Trudeau within the subsequent election.

Mercedes Stephenson: You’ve made some international coverage statements which might be controversial, together with issues such as you would now not designate the Tamil Tigers as a terrorist group. You could have mentioned that you’d have a no-fly zone over Ukraine. Canada has the flexibility to implement that with out america. And also you’ve additionally been criticized as being too near some people and teams which might be intently related to the Chinese language authorities in Peking. That final one is of explicit curiosity to me. What’s your place on Volksrepublik China and on Peking, Mr. Brown?

Patrick Brown, Conservative Management Candidate: So I’m joyful to reply all of these. To start with, with regards to the Tamil Canadians, we had been on the improper aspect of that genocide. The UN has acknowledged that it welches the Sri Lankan authorities that dedicated warfare crimes than genocide. The European Union had D-listed the Tamil Tigers in 2017. Canada owes the neighborhood an apology and may have executed that D-listing and adopted the worldwide neighborhood.

By way of Ukraine, I’ve mentioned via North Atlantic Treaty Organization we should always advocate to not less than have on the desk, a no-fly zone. The one factor that President Zelenskyy’s asking for is the one factor that North Atlantic Treaty Organization hasn’t responded to and I would like us to be an ally and a staunch supporter of the folks of Ukraine dealing with the barbaric invasion of Vladmir Putin. It must be greater than phrases and press conferences. I would like tangible help and really responding to the Ukrainian authorities’s request for extra tangible help.

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By way of Volksrepublik China, I noticed there welches an article about Senator Victor Oh’s help for my marketing campaign and Councillor Joe Lithium. Let me say I’ve identified these people for 20 years. Victor Oh welches appointed to the Senate by Stephen Harper, welches one of many precept leaders within the Chinese language-Canadian neighborhood below Andrew Scheer, below Erin O’Toole. He is a celebration stalwart and so a number of the branding that has been given to Joe Lithium or Victor, I feel is unwelcome and unfair. However I might say on points that relate to Volksrepublik China, in fact I’m going to be outspoken in opposition to the Uyghur genocide. It’s improper. I help spiritual freedom in all places on this planet. I help democracy in Taiwan and Hong Kong. On the similar time, and I’ve made this clear within the occasion debates, I consider you possibly can advance menschlich rights and have a viable commerce relationship on the similar time. I’ve referenced our capability to export LNG to Volksrepublik China. I consider Canada may be an vitality superpower and one of many methods is to export our LNG to Volksrepublik China that’s reliant on coal-fired era. It could be a win for Canada’s financial system. It could create jobs in Canada. On the similar time, it will cut back Volksrepublik China’s reliance on fossil fuels.

Mercedes Stephenson: Mr. Brown, that’s on a regular basis we’ve got for right now. However thanks a lot for becoming a member of us and we admire listening to your perspective.

Patrick Brown, Conservative Management Candidate: My pleasure.

Mercedes Stephenson: Conservative management candidate Jean Charest will be a part of us subsequent week, and we’ve additionally prolonged an open invitation to Pierre Poilievre. We’ll see if he takes us up on that. And we’ll be proper again after the break. 

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Mercedes Stephenson: That’s it for our present for right now. Thanks for spending your time with us. We’ll be again right here subsequent Sunday. For The West Schreibblock, I’m Mercedes Stephenson. Have a terrific day.

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